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  I'm going back.

  by dazed but not confused in

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  to hawaii!!

  what were you thinking?.

  ive been to the big island twice when i was a 11 and 13. my sister lived there and flew me out.

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  Black Sheep

  I love the tropics and go back whenever I get a chance. I hope you have a ball.
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  GB's letter regarding UN membership - How Do You Prove Them Wrong?

  by will-be-apostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading brant jones' experience (published on jwfacts.com).

  i read both letters: the one he wrote to the gb and the one he recieved from them.

  link: http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/brantjonesunresponse.pdf.

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  Black Sheep

  So .... going by Dana's view, the WT researchers would only be denied access if they didn't pass inspection by UN Security.

  How often did that happen?

  Did it ever happen?

  Where is it documented?

  Is there any evidence that any WT journalist was ever denied access to any of the contents of the UN library for any reason, prior to the church's applying for membership?
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  First Post...Hi everyone! Thanks for all of your help over the years!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  well... as they say on talk back radio "i'm a long time listener, first time caller"(poster in this case!).

  i have been a "lurker" for several years, but never had the courage to take the step and join up...until now.. i really want to thank everyone for their insights and comments throughout the forum.

  although i have not contibuted to discussions, i have benefitted very much from all of your comments and observations on all topics.

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  Black Sheep

  WoW. You are spoiled. You even got a welcome from our Granny Mouthy who says she doesn't live here any more.

  It's nice you finally popped in.

  Cheers

  Chris
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  This is my first post

  by Make Lemonade in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

  there are resources here that are deep.

  like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

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  Black Sheep

  I'm pleased you had the sense to toss that bucket.

  Welcome to your New World.
  Black Sheep
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  Soon™... In use since 1879!!

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  i wondered how fast the wt publications used the word "soon"... as in expectation of some prophecy or fulfillment.... eight pages into the first watchtower... july 1879.... "our design has been to present to the body of christ, "the chaste virgin" church, which expects soon to go in to the marriage and become christ's bride, a selection of sacred songs especially adapted to her condition and expressive of her desires and hopes.".

  the expectation?

  1881. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php.

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  Black Sheep

  I use 'soon' with my JWs whenever I agree to do something they know I am never going to do.
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  GB's letter regarding UN membership - How Do You Prove Them Wrong?

  by will-be-apostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading brant jones' experience (published on jwfacts.com).

  i read both letters: the one he wrote to the gb and the one he recieved from them.

  link: http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/brantjonesunresponse.pdf.

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  Black Sheep

  Does the letter provide evidence that the contents of the library were unavailable to them if they didn't have NGO status?

  Is there any evidence anywhere that the contents of the library were unavailable to them if they didn't have NGO status?

  I'm not aware of any rules that would have denied them access to the library or the contents, only that they had to apply ahead for a day pass if they wanted to visit Dag Hammarskjöld. If that is correct, then there was no NEED to join and their excuse is BS. It is up to the person making the claim, that they needed membership for access, so it is up to them to prove it.
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  What happened to the "Armageddon hasn't arrived" post?

  by QuestioningEverything in

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  just wondering, i enjoyed checking it out from time to time.

  and i apologize in advance if it is still on here.

  it wouldn't come up in my search.

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  Black Sheep

  "Jehovah and his useless penis" has disappeared too.
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  My Window Cleaner

  by happy@last in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my window cleaner is a jw and as i am always working when he comes to my house i haven't seen him or spoken to him in years.

  the other day i was in my local town and went into a cafe for some lunch.

  who is sitting there but my window cleaner and his wife.

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  Black Sheep

  Any JW who works for me, talks to me. They don't have a choice.
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  Do You Try To Avoid The Witnesses When You See Them?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think i typically don't want to be either love bombed or questioned.

  i happen to see jws a lot while visiting my mom.

  they don't go there with me, which works well for all concerned..

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  Black Sheep

  I target members of any cult. I don't see the cult I was born into as being deserving of any special consideration.
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  He Wants To Help Me

  by LouBelle in

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  so i just happened to bump into an elder today.

  a guy my age that i used to know.

  i was having a quick breakfast.

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  Black Sheep

  I'm with Outlaw on this one LouBelle.

  If you're here looking for advice on what to discuss or how to handle him, you should not be talking to him at all. If you can't control the conversation, just don't let them start one in the first place.

  He is not your friend.

  He has nothing of value to offer you that you can't get elsewhere.

  If you must talk to a JW, never let them choose the subject. Quickly turn he conversation to a subject you know they are familiar with, but that they will be uncomfortable with, and hammer them on that. Do not answer their questions, they are there to answer yours, tell them that. The more they want to trick you into a change from a particular subject, the more you need to stay on it. Don't express your own opinions, just use questions to make them do the talking and lead them to making conclusions that they didn't want to come to and to indulge in behaviours that they would condemn if a member of another church used them. Use guilt when they try any tricks, dishonesty, double standards, or bullying, and feign being offended that they would try to treat you like a fool etc..